Uziel Gomez 0:01
From Los Angeles. This is the Echelon Radio Network.

Brian Hemsworth 0:12
Hey and welcome everybody back to another edition of the Echelon Radio Podcast. I’m Brian Hemsworth. I’ve not been doing podcasts for a little bit. Jerri has been filling in for me, but I’m back, and we have as our guest today, Uziel Gomez, how’d I do on that? Okay?

Uziel Gomez 0:31
That was really good.

Brian Hemsworth 0:32
Pretty close, pretty close? Thanks for coming in, I appreciate you coming in. And we want to talk a little bit about what you’re up to, what you do, and we will talk a little of business, but I want to jump into some of the fun stuff. So, we do a little bit of stalking of our guests, websites and background, and you’ve got some pretty cool stuff, so I want to jump right in. Tell us where you were born, where you grew up, and where are you now?

Uziel Gomez 1:01
So, I’m born and raised out of Canoga Park.

Brian Hemsworth 1:06
Mmhm, close to us.

Uziel Gomez 1:07
Yeah, yeah, not too far, it was a 10 minute drive, born and raised in Canoga Park. I’ve actually lived on the same block my entire life.

Brian Hemsworth 1:15
Wow.

Uziel Gomez 1:15
So, yeah, you know Valley kid to the to the heart for sure.

Brian Hemsworth 1:18
Wow. What high school?

Uziel Gomez 1:20
Canoga Park.

Brian Hemsworth 1:21
Okay, that doesn’t get much more Valley than that.

Uziel Gomez 1:23
Exactly.

Brian Hemsworth 1:24
I think Van Nuys might be a parallel to that, but, and then so I also saw from your bio on your website, CSUN.

Uziel Gomez 1:34
Yeah.

Brian Hemsworth 1:34
Right. So you’re, you’ve stayed in the valley even even through that time. What was CSUN like for you?

Uziel Gomez 1:39
Oh, it was amazing. I mean, it was definitely entering a whole nother world, just because, you know, I am the first in my family to attend college. So navigating that whole world was, like, very interesting. At first, I did feel like an outcast, like I feel like I didn’t really, really belong. But then I found my tribe. You know, there’s other people like me there too. So it was phenomenal. Like they have a great business program there. So my experience was really good.

Brian Hemsworth 2:05
So, and I want to let you know you have every right to feel that way. I’m a kid that came from a family where my mother and father and at their age, not as many women were going to college, but both my mother and father went to college, and I still felt like the outcast. So I totally do get that, you know, we have that feeling. What’d you study there?

Uziel Gomez 2:05
Financial planning.

Brian Hemsworth 2:06
Ah, you did?

Uziel Gomez 2:07
Yeah, yeah.

Brian Hemsworth 2:07
So that was really, how’d you, know, like, when, when you first went, did you just, you, like, kind of have a feel for what you wanted to do, or?

Uziel Gomez 2:34
You know what, like, I’ve always known I wanted to do something within business. So I think I went in, like, as a business administration or business marketing, I can’t remember exactly, but it was within the business department. And I’ve always had an interest for finance, without really knowing that I had that interest, just because my parents have always shown me how to be frugal, they taught us like, you know, because of our upbringing and our circumstance, we had to be very frugal. So I was always aware of our circumstance and always aware of like, the different strategies that my mom used so that we could stay afloat and survive the difficult moments. So I, you know, during during college, I was an undergrad, within my first two years, I kind of felt lost, like I didn’t really, really know exactly what I wanted to do. And at that time, I was working as a bank teller in Van Nuys, and it was a very unique location, because you had, we were very close to Sherman Oaks, and we were in Van Nuys, so we had a lot of like, upper middle class folks coming in, and a lot of, like, lower income folks as well. And there was a really gap between financial literacy and within you.

Brian Hemsworth 3:47
Oh yeah , I bet.

Uziel Gomez 3:48
Yeah, yeah, but at least the people that were middle class had, like, more resources. And, you know, you could, you could tell they had, like, a savings amount for emergencies. And the lower income folks, like, they were just, you know, living paycheck to paycheck. So I thought, like, Okay, how could I bring this back into my community? Like, learn the ropes, learn what finance is really about, and, you know, bring it back to my community. So at that time, I had just turned 18, 19, I believe, and my friend had taught me about like credit, the importance of credit, but like his information was very limited. So I researched how to improve my credit score because I wanted to buy a car, and I knew essentially like that was like, one of the foundational pillars to start, like, your financial journey, if you will.

Brian Hemsworth 3:48
Yeah.

Uziel Gomez 4:03
So then I came across this article that said that there was an 18 year old kid that had a perfect 800 score at the age of 18, and yeah, the reason why was because the parents added him as an authorized user to one of their credit cards. So you know that history went on to that, to the to the son’s, credit history as well. And, you know, I asked myself, how can, who can do this for me? Who can do this for me in my immediate circle? And there was like, really, no one that was able to do that for me, because no one really, was, had a good credit score. No one was really, they were afraid to get credit cards or any form of credit as well. And the very few that like,

Brian Hemsworth 5:20
Yeah.

Uziel Gomez 5:21
Had good credit scores they kind of looked at me like, what are you talking about? I’m not gonna add to you as an authorized user. Which was okay, but that really, that really started my journey and my passion for it, like, I just got obsessed with the credit system, and, you know, learned how to get a good score to eventually get my car.

Brian Hemsworth 5:40
Awesome. So, so tell me when. So you spent some time working at the bank, and I saw that you had worked in a couple different areas that looked like maybe during school and right out of school. What was the time where you where the light bulb went on that said financial planning?

Uziel Gomez 5:57
Well, it’s, it’s very funny, because the light bulb went on during my time there at the bank, and I really re-evaluated things, because I during that year, I felt very lost, like I just kind of wanted to give up in school. Because, you know, you get the sense of direction from your family, like they kept telling me, you need to go to school, you need to pursue higher education so you could be successful. But once you get to school, they don’t tell you like you’re just lost like. They don’t tell you like, these are the different careers. This is what you should be doing. You should be getting an internship at this point in your life. You should be participating in clubs or extra curricular events in school. So I felt very lost, and I just re-evaluated what I wanted to do, and at that time was when that passion for finance really grew with the whole credit score thing. And what I ended up doing, I went to go and I researched more about finance, and there were three options in CSUN, financial analysis, financial planning and insurance. And you know, to be quite honest, I just said financial planning sounds soothing without really knowing what it was, and without knowing that that’s exactly what I wanted to do, pursue finance.

Brian Hemsworth 7:11
Interesting, yeah. So you really, in a lot of ways, sought this out. You some of it by necessity, and also some of it by you caught an interest in it and then pursued it. That’s, I think that’s a very cool way of doing it. I think there’s an awful lot of people that don’t have that epiphany while in college. They go through college having no idea what they’re going to do, and then also spend a lot of time trying to figure it out afterwards. I think you were that was a stroke of good fortune for you to sort of go that way. So let’s fast forward. You’ve launched your own firm on this. Tell me about what that was like for you, and what that journey was like, and how you sort of came about doing that.

Uziel Gomez 7:56
Yeah.

Brian Hemsworth 7:56
That’s a big, bold step.

Uziel Gomez 7:57
It’s the scariest thing I’ve ever done, and I don’t question it whether it was the right decision now. Now I do see, like it was the best thing I’ve ever done, but like, early on you do, kind of question, did I do the right thing? Because, you know, coming out of college, I’m the first one in my family to earn the amount of money that I earned, you know, starting out in my career. So stepping away from that and asking myself, like, am I doing right by my family? Am I doing right for myself? It was kind of scary right, because I was earning a reasonable amount, that is kind of hard to walk away from.

Brian Hemsworth 8:32
Yeah.

Uziel Gomez 8:33
But I knew eventually I wasn’t really passionate so much about what I was doing, and that eventually I had to launch my own firm, and I’m my dad’s retirement plan, Brian. So my dad is 61 he has, at best, like maybe three or four years left in him. He’s worked since the age of 12. Right now, he’s in construction. Has worked hard labor jobs his entire life. And I see his, you know, his body, you know, taking a big toll on him. So I know eventually, you know, he has to stop working so on my dad’s retirement plan. So for me, I really thought about like, if it’s five years from now, I won’t be able to launch because that’s when I eventually will have to help out my parents.

Brian Hemsworth 9:15
Yeah.

Uziel Gomez 9:16
Very much more than what I am doing now. So I thought about like, okay, if I don’t do this now, I won’t be able to do it in 5 to 10 years. And you know, it’s gonna take me maybe 10 years or 15 years to be able to do this later on. So if I’m gonna fail, I’d rather fail now than ask myself down the line, you know, what would have what? What if?

Brian Hemsworth 9:40
Yeah.

Uziel Gomez 9:41
What if I would have done it? So honestly, I left my job on a whim. I didn’t really know what I had lined up. I didn’t, I knew that I was going to launch, I didn’t know how exactly, and I went to a to a conference that that same weekend that I had, you know, left my previous job, and I spoke to a good friend of mine, Katrina Soelter, who’s also was a member of Echelon as well, I believe, andLeighann Miko, who was also a member of Echelon. And I told them, you know, my situation. I told him that I really wanted to launch my own thing, but I couldn’t, one, you know, go without income, like, go years without income, and then two make that initial investment up front. So the way I’m building now Primeros is underneath their practice Equalis Financial so they’re providing everything for me, and you know, we’re just doing like a revenue share. So I honestly, even after that conversation, I still didn’t know if I was if this was the right move for me, and I’m very high faith based. So, you know, I prayed a lot. I prayed a lot, and then within like, two, three days of that conference, I get an email from the financial Financial Advisor Magazine asking that the that they wanted to interview me for for an article of the 10 Young Advisors to Watch. And I really thought, like, wow, this is God’s, you know, way of showing me that.Like, this is how you’re going to make the announcement. Like, this is, this is really, you know, you have to launch. You have to do this. This is really meant for you.

Brian Hemsworth 11:12
So, so there was really a lot of alignment of stars happening at that time, because I saw that on your website, which is very impressive. But also, as a former journalist, I think I saw it through their eyes, because when I look at your website and the area that you focus on, it makes sense that you’re somebody to watch. Can you tell our listeners a little bit about your the focus of your practice, because I find it to be very unique and very admirable.

Uziel Gomez 11:44
Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I focus on first generation wealth builders. So it’s typically people that are first in your family to go to college, like myself, first to build wealth, first, really, of anything, right? Like, I say, like, first to travel the world, first, you know, first to open doors for their family. So that’s really where my focus is on. A lot of people think that I only work with people of color or minorities. I work with everyone, as long as you know, like you’re the first in your family to build wealth, or even second generation as well. You know, I’m happy to help out. And the reason why I did that is because, you know, like I mentioned, I’m a first myself too. So I really believe that, you know, you’re meant to help out the person that you once were, or the person that you are.

Brian Hemsworth 12:29
Man. That, to me, is so impressive. I think finding clients like that and truly being able to help them, because, let’s face it, somebody walks in and they’ve got a million dollars in the bank, we can point them in a lot of directions, and they’re going to do just fine, right? But working with people that it’s the first time in their life where maybe they have a little bit left over of the paycheck and they want to do things, just like you, they want to get that credit, get that car, maybe they’re getting married and they they want to do their best to save up for that first house and and and then start a family. There’s an awful lot of things that go into that. So I’m guessing that you have a lot of counseling and a lot of teaching that you’re doing in this process. Do I have that right?

Uziel Gomez 13:20
Yeah. I mean, a lot of the meetings that I, I mean, I just had a meeting yesterday about investments, and like, 90% of the meeting was just me educating the client on like, Hey, this is how investments work. This is exactly why we’re setting up your accounts the way we are. Because I want my clients to walk away knowing exactly why I’m recommending something to them and know exactly how it works. And of course, some clients want more information. Others want just a high level overview. But, you know, I set up my services and my entire onboarding process to be able to teach them, like, exactly what we’re doing, so that they could bring it on into their family, like,

Brian Hemsworth 14:02
Yeah.

Uziel Gomez 14:02
There’s a generational wealth, but there’s also the generational knowledge that also has to be passed down, that I’ve learned, because there’s no point in building generational wealth if the next generation is not going to know or have the knowledge to be able to continue building that wealth for the future generations.

Brian Hemsworth 14:19
Well, and it sounds to me, I’m going to be corny here for a second, but you’re, you’re helping share the wealth, but the wealth of knowledge.

Uziel Gomez 14:26
Yeah.

Brian Hemsworth 14:26
Right, that’s really an important thing. I want to ask, and I don’t want to, you know, cross any levels of fiduciality that you have for your clients. But can you share with us, maybe two or three of the the things that you find you’re speaking about to your clientele most of the time is it things like credit and first home ownership? Are those some of the things that come up repeatedly?

Uziel Gomez 14:53
Yeah, a lot of my clients are, you know, coming into the door without credit cards or any any form of credit. Um, they are pursuing, like home ownership, and we do have like that conversation. I implement a lot of autonomy in as one of my values in my practice, because I like to dig deep into a goal or something that my client wants to pursue, because a lot of people want to pursue goals that have been influenced by external factors. So when a client comes to me and they say, like, hey, I want to, you know, I want to buy a home, and that’s really big, like, owning a tangible property is really big in minority in minority communities. So I always ask and and dig deeper into like, where did this goal come from, and how does it align with the lifestyle that you want to pursue, really, and we know was it really influenced by someone else? So I really dig deeper into some of the goals that they want to pursue. But to answer your question, Brian, like, there’s so many different topics, like, you know, take me, for instance, and I share this with my clients, it took me three, two to three years to start contributing to a retirement plan because I didn’t want to lock my money into something that I I felt like I didn’t have any access to in case of an emergency. So, you know, one of the topics that we also address is the scarcity mentality, right? Like getting out of that mentality of thinking like, what if this happens? What if that happens? And hoarding money and cash that you may not need.

Brian Hemsworth 16:20
Yeah, yeah. And I think that’s, you know, that’s something that doesn’t go away for a long time.

Uziel Gomez 16:25
Yeah.

Brian Hemsworth 16:26
You know, I went through that exact same thing. I was like, I know, I got a plan for tomorrow, but I got a plan for this afternoon, you know, as well. And that can sometimes be scary. So you mentioned talking and digging deep with your clients about goals. What about you? You’ve got this business that you’ve started. You’re doing really well with it. You’ve got people that are liking you, referring you, and I know you said you have goals of being able to help your family. What other goals do you have? Have you set some for yourself to say, like, in 10 years, 20 years, this is where I’d like to be?

Uziel Gomez 17:01
Yeah, that’s very interesting. I feel like I don’t really think about myself too much. It’s usually like, how I’m gonna impact my my community and help my family. But I think when it’s all said and done, I do really love to travel. I love to explore the world. You know, one thing that I’ve also thought about like, you know, once I get my family in a place where, like, they’re comfortable, and I’m able to help my dad retire, I do want to maybe, like, travel and live in a different state or even a different country from time to time. I mean, I work virtually, so I hope that’s able to happen. But you know, just like living life besides, like goals for my family is like enjoying what, enjoying the journey more than anything. Because, you know, this past year, I just been working extremely hard, and, you know, I forget to take a step back and enjoy the journey as well.

Brian Hemsworth 17:55
So, so, so let’s, let’s take a little turn on this, right? I think we’ve learned a fair amount about your business, and I really like the way that you’re handling this. I think you got a very level head. Now, that’s something that I’ve always looked for in, you know, the very first financial planner that I spoke to and and honestly, I didn’t get that so to me, matching up with somebody whose values are similar to mine was something that I found important. I’m sure that’s very important in your community and with your clients, but let’s, let’s venture a little bit away. So I know you say you like to travel, and you had a couple more interesting things on your website that I that I really liked seeing. So you’ve done a little bit of what I might call adventure travel, right? And a little bit of thrill seeking.

Uziel Gomez 18:47
Oh, yeah.

Brian Hemsworth 18:48
So, launching a business is thrill seeking. But you also like that when you travel, what are, what are maybe some of the things either that you’ve done or that you want to do in the travel with the thrill seeking?

Uziel Gomez 18:59
Yeah, so I’m one of those kids adults. I guess I’m an adult now, right? That I hadn’t, I didn’t have a passport, ’til like the age of what was it, like two, three years ago? So at the age of 24, 25, so last year or two years ago, I would say I went and visited my parents’ hometown for the first time. So I had gone as a kid, but that doesn’t really count. So that was really the first time I went out of the country as an adult, and it was just a phenomenal experience, like I learned more about my parents’ culture, learned more about like, their upbringing, and just appreciated more of like, the sacrifices that they’ve made for for me and my siblings. But besides that, later that year, I also went to Playa del Carmen, and I went to one of the Xcaret parks called XPlor, where there’s a lot of zip lining going on ATVs. And it’s just like, so much adrenaline going on. And honestly, like, I really, really like that. I just really like to feel the thrill of like, Hey, I’m going above my comfort level, and let me see how this turns out.

Brian Hemsworth 20:14
Oh that’s awesome.

Uziel Gomez 20:14
Yeah.

Brian Hemsworth 20:15
I love that.

Uziel Gomez 20:16
Yeah. So we have another, another trip planned for in May, going back to the Xcaret parks, and we’re staying at one of the hotels. So through that, you get access to all of the parks. Yeah, and, you know, they have a cenote, which, I don’t know how to explain it, but it’s like a body of water within, kind of like a cave.

Brian Hemsworth 20:36
I’ve seen videos of that.

Uziel Gomez 20:38
Yeah, it’s amazing. I jumped off of one, I think it was, like, about 40 feet high. I want to say more or less. I would never do that again. I did not land correctly. But it was, you know, it was, it was really interesting. It’s interesting to do. Aside from that, I think right now I’ve just been too focused on my business. So I am exploring other ways to travel. But part of you know, the work that I do, I am blessed to be able to go to conferences that exposed me to, like, different states. I was in Denver earlier this year as well. And I think a part of it, Brian is that, like growing up, I would never get out of, like, the proximity of, like, Canoga Park, Reseda, I remember, like going to Van Nuys felt like, you know, three hour drive going to, you know, Universal Studios for like, a four or five hour drive as well. So it’s just going out and exploring the country, especially exploring like Latin America to, like, better understand my roots and better understand my culture.

Brian Hemsworth 20:38
Well you know, I I’m born and raised in LA and and I will say that when I was a kid, anything north of Santa Barbara was like, Canada to me, anything east of Riverside was back East. Like, I assume that’s where my cousins lived who were in Connecticut. Like, isn’t that just after Riverside? Because it felt like, back then, we didn’t even have freeways some of the time. We would take the 60 Highway, it’s now the 60 freeway, it would take us three hours to get to Riverside.

Uziel Gomez 22:00
Wow.

Brian Hemsworth 22:01
You know, my dad took my brother and I out to the races one time out there, and it just felt like so far away that I realized I really did sort of grow up in a cocoon of LA. I want to, I want to give you one little one that I think you might want to put on your bucket list. So I had never done a zip line, and I’ve only really done it once, but we had, we have a thing in our family where we’ve with older parents, both my my wife and I, we were the youngest in our families, and so as our parents were aging and eventually passed on, we were the one, even though we were the youngest, we were the ones that were doing most of the caregiving in the family, and then sort of dealing with the passing and cleaning up the estate. Fortunately, our both of our parents had estate plans that we were able to implement so that we didn’t have to deal with probate, but we sort of got to the end of that, and then would say, you know, we need a little bit of chill time, so we try to figure out what we wanted to do. And at the time, the first time we did this, I’m going to say it was maybe 20, 2015 or so, and my daughter was about 15. That’s how I remember the age is, because it’s close to the year. And so we were looking it was after my mother had passed away, and I said to my daughter, “you know, if we’re taking a vacation in a few months when school’s out, where what would you like to do?” I didn’t say, where do you want to go, but “what would you like to do?” And she said, I want adventure, like I want to go do crazy stuff. And then I said to Jerri, you know, what would you like to do? Just chill. I don’t want to do anything. And I was like, Oh, great. I made the mistake of asking instead of just doing something. We went to Costa Rica, and I had a friend tell me before, and I just kind of wanted to go there. I wasn’t even quite sure why. I just wanted to go, and I’m so glad I did. I really loved it down. I can see why a whole bunch of American expats, you know, moved down there now. But we went to the area called Arenal, which is a volcano, and we went on about a 24/25 line zip line, and you drive very high up into the rain forest. And the very first zip line is only about 50 feet, and it’s in the trees, so you don’t feel like you’re up really but you’re still really nervous. And then they start getting longer and longer. And the very final line is, I think, a mile. And you go basically from the top of the mountain to the bottom on on 24 lines. And it’s zip lines all the way, and I would go back in a heartbeat. That’s how much I liked it. I was so afraid, but like you say, it was a challenge, right? And I stepped out of the comfort zone, and I was actually really proud that my wife and daughter stepped out of their comfort zones, and they did it as well. So it was really, I have I had a little cheap GoPro, and they had mounts on the helmet, so I actually mounted it on my helmet. And so I’ve got video of it and and I would say that I actually want to find out where you go, because that sounds like a place I might like to go.

Uziel Gomez 22:28
It’s amazing.

Brian Hemsworth 22:48
And if you ever want to go to go to Costa Rica, let me know, because it really was, like it was a as thrill seeking as it was, there was a tremendous amount of relaxation that came out of it, because afterwards, it lets you chill.

Uziel Gomez 25:36
Yeah.

Brian Hemsworth 25:36
You can’t chill while you’re driving up and you’re all harnessed in and everything. And like, I was scared to death, but afterwards it was, you know, it was fantastic. So I think when I hear that in you it kind of rekindles my interest in doing that. I want to really just sort of ask, you know, one or two more things along the way, what are, what are some of the things that you do locally that aren’t work, that isn’t travel and vacation. What are some of the other things that you like doing here? Born and raised here? So you’ve got to know, like places to go, things to do what, what do you do when you’ve got a little spare time?

Uziel Gomez 26:17
That’s been that’s been little hard lately, but lately, my girlfriend and I have taken an interest in painting, like, the sip and paint. So there’s a place called Paint Painting with a Twist in Chatsworth. So we go there, like, about once or twice a month. That’s really good, it’s a good way to, like, relax and, like, get your mind off of things. I’m not as creative, so don’t, ask, don’t ask me to show you my paintings. But that’s usually what we do the painting classes. We love to go out to eat and try new restaurants and, you know, growing up, one of the few things that our parents were able to like, you know, take us to is places like Universal Studios. So we would get, like, the annual pass.

Brian Hemsworth 27:02
Oh, nice.

Uziel Gomez 27:02
Yeah, yeah. I remember when it was like $50 or $60 back in the day for like the whole year. So that’s what we usually do. Like we would get, like the the annual pass, like, jump in the car, like on a Friday evening when they close, like at 10, be there from like six to close. So just going out finding new things, like finding new, new little hobbies. So just, you know, I would say the major, the biggest part is like dining out, you know, going out with family and friends.

Brian Hemsworth 27:32
What’s your favorite food?

Uziel Gomez 27:34
Right now? We really like Thai food. But, I mean, of course I can, I can overlook the Mexican food. Like, that’s definitely what we love.

Brian Hemsworth 27:41
Awesome. I’m gonna, I’m just gonna call you out on one little thing, and don’t be afraid of this.

Uziel Gomez 27:45
Yeah.

Brian Hemsworth 27:46
It’s the one thing I’m gonna disagree with you on, and that is, you said you’re not creative. I’m gonna say that’s BS, you’re very, very creative. And I teach creativity in some of my classes, and I teach creative thinking to a lot of business people, and so I’ll meet up with accountants and actuaries, and they’ll say, we’re not creative at all. And I’ll say, That’s BS, you are. But here’s the way that I’ll say it, and this is where I think it’ll, you’ll, you’ll like it when I say this.There’s really a difference between, between our artistic abilities and our creative thinking. Anybody can be creative, and I’ve learned that I’m creative, but I’m not so artistic, right? I can’t write my name in a way that people can read it. That’s how so I certainly can’t paint, and I and I, I wish I could, and one of the things that helps me with that is creativity is something that you that you have in your mind, right, that you do creative thinking, and you’ve been very creative in the way you even just led your life and starting this business and stepping out from things that weren’t really in your comfort zone. And that’s a very creative way of doing it. But from creativity can come artistry. So when we hold ourselves up, and especially in a place like LA, you know, and we think of art, and we’ve got these places like Getty Center, and we’ve got, you know, classic works of art and masterpieces there. And, you know, the mountain is really high for that. And we think about music, and, well, like, you know, there’s Taylor Swift, and there’s these people that are making billions of dollars, and I, I can barely pluck a guitar, you know, so we have this lofty level, but you don’t have to achieve that to feel that creativity along the way. And I think doing things, we sometimes even do it here at Newman Grace, where we just do art. We haven’t done it for a little while, probably even since COVID, because we haven’t had as many people around. But we used to do, and I we actually have some of it in the halls. And we would just, you know, go up to Michael’s and buy some blank paper, or sometimes even just canvas and some paints. And then we do these funny games where we would start painting, and then 15 minutes later, you pass it on to somebody else, and then you start painting theirs. And then you have this shared experience. And it ends up being really fun, I would say to you, do more of it.

Uziel Gomez 30:04
Yeah.

Brian Hemsworth 30:04
And don’t even worry what it looks like. Throw it out if you want to. The act of doing it is where the creativity comes out. So it’s the only thing that I’m disagreeing with is I want you to think that you really are creative, because I think you really are.

Uziel Gomez 30:16
I appreciate that. And maybe I should rephrase that. I’m not creative through the art, but I feel like I am creative through financial planning, like putting the pieces together, and like,

Brian Hemsworth 30:24
Absolutely.

Uziel Gomez 30:25
I do see that as a form of creativity.

Brian Hemsworth 30:26
Absolutely.

Uziel Gomez 30:27
Yeah.

Brian Hemsworth 30:27
Well, listen, this has been a great time. I hope it hasn’t been too painful. I tell people,

Uziel Gomez 30:31
This was amazing.

Brian Hemsworth 30:32
It should be less painful than going to the dentist. That’s how I look at it. So I hope that’s been good. Thanks so much for coming in. Really appreciate it.

Uziel Gomez 30:39
Thanks for having me.

Announcer 30:52
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